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		<title>By: Soccer Potpourri &#124; OverLapping Run</title>
		<link>http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4715#comment-16075</link>
		<dc:creator>Soccer Potpourri &#124; OverLapping Run</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 23:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kenn.com: US Open Cup &#8211; Moneyball [...]</description>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4715#comment-16019</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New CBA. 44k isn&#039;t the minimum, but a lot of those type guys are getting that now. That&#039;s probably close to twice what a D3 guy would make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New CBA. 44k isn&#8217;t the minimum, but a lot of those type guys are getting that now. That&#8217;s probably close to twice what a D3 guy would make.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4715#comment-16014</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I see a couple guys from Div 3 that have signed with MLS and they are making 44K?!  Makes me wonder just how dreadful the pay is in DIV 3 and gives some perspective...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I see a couple guys from Div 3 that have signed with MLS and they are making 44K?!  Makes me wonder just how dreadful the pay is in DIV 3 and gives some perspective&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4715#comment-15993</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean on average, bq? Because I have a feeling Minnesota&#039;s not spending a million on players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean on average, bq? Because I have a feeling Minnesota&#8217;s not spending a million on players.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4715#comment-15992</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me there are very few people who are under the impression they are paid what they are worth. And there&#039;s no question MLS players would make more in a truly open market for their services - that&#039;s been proven time and again in every league in every sport that allows free agency.

The thing about those &quot;relatively meaningless reg season games&quot; and &quot;totally meaningless friendlies&quot; is that they generate revenue and interest. Houston drew a big crowd for Valencia, much, much bigger than they would have for an Open Cup match. As long as that&#039;s the case, you can&#039;t blame clubs for prioritizing where the actual money is, given how much money has been spent and lost in this country on the game over the years.

And as for Seattle, Portland and perhaps Vancouver being able to compete with MLS on salaries....I think players on those teams were doing okay in the second division, sure. But they weren&#039;t going to go off and form their own league. And between them they could only have siphoned off about 50 players from MLS (fewer, actually, who would have been okay playing in the second division), so I doubt it was about that. It was more about getting those markets into the league.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me there are very few people who are under the impression they are paid what they are worth. And there&#8217;s no question MLS players would make more in a truly open market for their services &#8211; that&#8217;s been proven time and again in every league in every sport that allows free agency.</p>
<p>The thing about those &#8220;relatively meaningless reg season games&#8221; and &#8220;totally meaningless friendlies&#8221; is that they generate revenue and interest. Houston drew a big crowd for Valencia, much, much bigger than they would have for an Open Cup match. As long as that&#8217;s the case, you can&#8217;t blame clubs for prioritizing where the actual money is, given how much money has been spent and lost in this country on the game over the years.</p>
<p>And as for Seattle, Portland and perhaps Vancouver being able to compete with MLS on salaries&#8230;.I think players on those teams were doing okay in the second division, sure. But they weren&#8217;t going to go off and form their own league. And between them they could only have siphoned off about 50 players from MLS (fewer, actually, who would have been okay playing in the second division), so I doubt it was about that. It was more about getting those markets into the league.</p>
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		<title>By: bq</title>
		<link>http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4715#comment-15991</link>
		<dc:creator>bq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I know I think it&#039;s quite safe to say that the difference in salary between Minnesota and RSL would be aprox. $82,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I know I think it&#8217;s quite safe to say that the difference in salary between Minnesota and RSL would be aprox. $82,000.</p>
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		<title>By: SoCalPete</title>
		<link>http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4715#comment-15990</link>
		<dc:creator>SoCalPete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, good analysis.  Lack of roster spots is definitely an issue, and unwillingness to prioritize single-elimination games over relatively meaningless reg season games (it&#039;s so easy to make playoffs) and totally meaningless friendlies is another.  

It&#039;s kind of unfair to the players that they look like their value is what they are paid because MLS has single entity structure.  These players would be making 20-30% more if collusion wasn&#039;t allowed, and teams competed to sign players.  

Sadly, players must either sign for what the league offers or they must move abroad if they want to make upper 5 figures playing soccer.  By the way, practically the only teams that could compete with MLS on salaries have been since been absorbed by it - Seattle, Portland, and perhaps Vancouver.  That was not by mistake.  

Just wanted to make the point that it&#039;s categorically true that what they are worth to their team is more (and sometimes a lot more) than what they are paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, good analysis.  Lack of roster spots is definitely an issue, and unwillingness to prioritize single-elimination games over relatively meaningless reg season games (it&#8217;s so easy to make playoffs) and totally meaningless friendlies is another.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of unfair to the players that they look like their value is what they are paid because MLS has single entity structure.  These players would be making 20-30% more if collusion wasn&#8217;t allowed, and teams competed to sign players.  </p>
<p>Sadly, players must either sign for what the league offers or they must move abroad if they want to make upper 5 figures playing soccer.  By the way, practically the only teams that could compete with MLS on salaries have been since been absorbed by it &#8211; Seattle, Portland, and perhaps Vancouver.  That was not by mistake.  </p>
<p>Just wanted to make the point that it&#8217;s categorically true that what they are worth to their team is more (and sometimes a lot more) than what they are paid.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4715#comment-15988</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, then.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4715#comment-15987</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RSL and Portland paid extra to host their matches, so you can add that on top of their starting 11&#039;s salaries.

Also, in the case of Portland, they are karmically burdened by their short-sighted embrace of the Paulson family and their blood money.  Henry Paulson should be in jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RSL and Portland paid extra to host their matches, so you can add that on top of their starting 11&#8242;s salaries.</p>
<p>Also, in the case of Portland, they are karmically burdened by their short-sighted embrace of the Paulson family and their blood money.  Henry Paulson should be in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: VaBeacher</title>
		<link>http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4715#comment-15984</link>
		<dc:creator>VaBeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff, as always.  Amazing what you can find out with a little research.  Can&#039;t figure out who Idiot&#039;s comments are directed torward, or which league he is even referring to.

Quick shout-out to David Horst, nice to see a kid from ODU pull down a half-way decent MLS salary with the Timbers; even though it&#039;s near the bottom of that day&#039;s roster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, as always.  Amazing what you can find out with a little research.  Can&#8217;t figure out who Idiot&#8217;s comments are directed torward, or which league he is even referring to.</p>
<p>Quick shout-out to David Horst, nice to see a kid from ODU pull down a half-way decent MLS salary with the Timbers; even though it&#8217;s near the bottom of that day&#8217;s roster.</p>
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